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I’m exasperated

Too many rule breakers and no rule enforcement

As an honest player I am continually dissapointed in how commonplace various types of cheating have become in the game. Bots, feeder accounts and hack sites that give anyones coords have ruined the game for me. I'm tired of being wiped out by people who put no effort into the game (and do not need to) because they enjoy an advantageous lack of integrity. I no longer believe that Evony cares or tries to combat these problems. It is so prevalent and so well known not only how to do it but who is doing it. If they cared even the slightest bit it would be quite easy to make examples of cheaters. If I were an evony 'cop', I'd send weekly server wide mails listing the names of the accounts who've been deleted, perm banned and temp banned during the week. And there would be plenty. Maybe they could be listed on a wall of shame somewhere.
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  • We cannot release the names of suspended accounts due to Privacy issues. We have systems in place to deal with these players and we are currently working on implementing new solutions to combat these issues more effectively.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Evony seems to put getting money out of cheating players than the satisfaction of the honest players who want to play the game the way it should be played. I personally reported a player that was violating the rules by attacking from two accounts at once and that player is still playing AND cheating. Sending form letter replies that say "privacy issues" is just a cop out. This problem is far from being solved.
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  • it is not solved thatium if one look back a year it seem even bigger then when evony did the parma banlast spring
    and for many who do what they are asked and report players it is fustrating to see the same players still in game cheating

    as i said elsewhere if you use alot of time in game you learn to spot feeder account , marco players and 3th party bots - but when other players report those nothing really come of it
    and it fustrate ppl who want to try play the game without having to cheat

    i can give you a very good exsample - some of the bot out there have an autoattack pattern for taking vallies if you ask it to do so - which to be honest is not that smart set up and normal players would never use and when vallies are attacked with that patern you know that account is probely a bot account

    but also if it is ok to use bots and macros ppl should be told so game is played on equal terms and not as it is now givining ppl who want to cheat to win a huge advandge

    zhay
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  • Thantium what will Evony do for the people trying to rid the servers of these boters the old fashioned way? by kicking the crud out of them and riding us of them that way? The millions of troops we have spent fighting these cities, the heroes we have lost? I just lost a high lvl atk hero last night attacking a bot city. There is no other way for us to stay alive. Not only did you guys shove 3 SS's together on one. SS56 now has SS5 and SS26 that are predominantly bot accounts. They move into the areas around peoples cities and the honest players can do nothing! We can barely fight these guys as the cost is to high, and you can't out farm them it's impossible i'm not on 24/7 and most of us normal players aren't. Granted some days it seems that way. What do we do? I've spent a ton of money on this game and after last night I'm truly on the verge of walking out the door and saying f off. I don't know what more we can do. I've made it clear to my alliance members if they come across an account like that to report it and we have reported a ton of accounts and we rarely ever receive a response. So we take things into our own hands and you got accounts opening and closing gates multiple times within seconds. It has gotten beyond ridiculous. My alliance and our sister alliances alone make up almost 500 members not including our very close allies which in total bring us to well over 3,000 players. We have been getting together and discussing on wither or not to pull all purchasing from Evony until these matters are resolved, and after these past 2 weeks or so with the absolute cluster frack with the merger and the loss in resources, heroes, cities, I am now one of the biggest advocates of pulling all funds directed toward Evony. I like this game that is why i spend money on it. Will 3k+ players not putting in a single dime fix anything? We will all die off anyways if no actions are taken and Evony lets botters continue to run rampant and everyone stops buying stuff to compete because it doesn't matter any longer.
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  • Bots can't be stopped. Ever. There is no game out there safe from bots, cheats, hacks, etc. Granted Evony should be doing everything they can to stop them, do know they can never be and will never be stopped. The worst case scenario for botters is they are reduced to only botting for the same amount of time a normal player plays for to prevent detection, but even then they will still maintain many of the automated capabilities of a bot while still looking like a legit player. They are impossible to stop.
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  • I’m tired of it all....
    Why is this a "Privacy Issue"? These are simply screen names, it's not like you are giving out people's real names and addresses. In the Evony forum you cross out members who are banned,how is this any different? Those who choose or chose to bot gave up their rights to "Privacy" when they broke the rules of the game. I don't see one single reference to such a policy in your "Terms of Use" or "Privacy Policy".
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    • A big Rep as you call it dont really count for much if you gained it by cheating now does it? To have all those honest players know that the only reason you beat on them was because you were cheating, You talk as if it is ok to BOT. If you cant do the time, dont do the crime!
    • doesnt matter how big or small you are, if your caught cheating you should be outed so all know, they only need to publish the game name and what server they were caught cheating as most ppl will then know who they are.
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  • Thantium or Thalin could you guys please respond to me and my issue? I know you are monitoring this topic and I have submitted a ticket and am trying to move this to the next level, as I'm sorry like I said I'm not spending anymore money on this game until my issue is resolved, and I got what I spent last month ready and waiting to go for this month as well as the next month. So like I said would like to get it taken care of.
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  • I’m confident
    We are aware of the issue and are working hard on solutions. We should have some new ones hopefully before the end of the year, and more in place hopefully in Jan.

    I can assure you that payment history has nothing to do with the suspension of accounts.
    • I'm curious why you need new solutions? If you post quotes from people talking about all their Alt accounts, nothing is done. Everyone knows the rules are toothless so they are happy to talk about alts in world chat.

      Why introduce new solutions when you don't make use of what you have. Alt accounts are against the rules. Why don't you act when you have the proof handed to you on a plate? I feel like a fool spending money when all I need are half a dozen Alts.
    • ok with all due respect what u said is a complete lie than. there has been NOTHING DONE IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY to get rid of the botters. i am sick of portin on to a player with the hopes of takin his city and hero, but i cant bc he/she is most likely a botter. I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE bc i ported into a hub of a players, each with about 300k arch, 100k ground units, and about 20k-30k cavs cats and a few mech. now a normal player when under attack would send additional troops and resources to a city if he/she was under attack, if the supporting city was close. now if he doesnt rein his city, u assume he is offline(normally). but when u scout each city while singling out 1 city to attack, and all the troops are where they should be, u also assume he/she is offline. but u realize you are facing a bot when all the "player" does is build small amounts of abs to reduce spam waves, and comfort every 15 mins exactly. this mamkes it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to cap a single city when the loyalty increases 25 every 15 mins.especially after u get the loyalty below 15. the lowest u can get a bot city is 13, bc it takes 6 mins for loyal to lower 1 point after the loyal itself hits 15,
      Now look. all we are asking is that u get rid of botters. do what you did with operation ceribus i believe. do what you did there and get rid of the botters. dont just put them on perma ban and leave them on the server. erase them COMPLETELY. anyone who feels the need to cheat should not be playin evony
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  • i'm not saying that it has to do with the suspension of any account what i'm saying is i have an issue i would like resolved i'm holding off on spending more money until it is resolved. i can speak with you privately for a min and explain if you would like.
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  • I’m discouraged at Evony's no response attitude.
    Thantium, I think that Evony has seen an explosion of people willing to spend hundreds of dollars month in, month out. Because of this, they are unwilling to boot anyone because it may cost them money. Keep this up and pretty soon you are going to have only bot and mega-money accounts. Then they will lose interest and there will be no one left. If people want to use bots and spend mega-money, let them. But put them all together and let them beat each other up and let us who love this game, and want to play it the way it is intended to be played, be rid of them.
    • I can assure you that we do not look into money spent when dealing with botters. Money spent has nothing to do with account suspensions.
    • Although I am critical of Evony's enforcement of the rules, I can point out on N1 that some of the biggest spenders were banned when the bot bans were handed out last year (along with people using a resource hack.) These people had spend thousands of dollars. So, I'd agree with Evony that spending isn't taken into account on those bans. I don't know if spending impacts other things such as medal drops but doesn't appear to have a role on bans.
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  • thantium oh thantium???? still nothing from the customer service team. :( getting rather disappointing.
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  • so thantium you respond to the post right above mine but not to me? seriously i thought you guys were lookign to improve customer service.
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    Thantium - some suggestions to help:
    1. On Botters - if they are using a program that moves the pointer around, have the game track what pixel people select - if it is exactly the same more than x% of the time - you have a suspected botter. Then have everyone on that suspect list get a revised screen where the only way they would click on that pixel again is if it were a bot (such as it becomes a button saying "Hey, click this button if you are using a bot!)

    2. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do something about multi-accounters. You cannot complete in the game on older servers without the big alliances having smaller alliances of 50+ accounts doing nothing but sending them resources. On N1, at least 5 of the top 15 alliances has 2-3 subs each with 50+ accounts just feeding them resources. I know IP matching is imperfect but it is a start. Also, keep in mind many of these accounts were given to hosts, etc. when player X left - require periodical validation of email addresses to keep the accounts active. Once every 60 days maybe. This could get rid of at least half these accounts over-night.

    3. Do something about account sitting (logging in to handle attacks for another player who is off-line.) On N1, there are alliances that don't even keep their gates open because someone will log in within 60 seconds of the city being hit to open and close gates as needed. Because gold is worthless there (food at 50, wood at 300, etc.) - everyone has tens of billions of gold so you can't clear out a city of resources in one wave of hits (I've seen dozens of cities with a trillion gold - meaning it would take 1,000 attacks of 100K transports hitting simultaneously to clear out the resources.) The gold creates buffers to allow this kind of sitting.

    WE WOULD RATHER HAVE EVONY GO TOO FAR ENFORCING RULES AND HAVING OCCASSIONAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO APPEAL TO YOU TO GET THINGS FIXED IF THEY WERE INNOCENT THAN THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

    If an account has a login within X time of being attacked from an IP address different from the original AND that IP address was logged in with another account just prior to this login, flag it. If that happens more than once in say 30 days, suspend the account. The statistical odds of this happening without it being sitting are 1 in 100,000. I'll take those odds!

    As is, players are encouraged to use bots for their dozen accounts with their "attacker" account having a dozen players who log in for them. That's the state of the game, unfortunately.

    Felwred
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  • hey here is an idea, just allow everyone to account sit. if you can't kill an online player, try a different game. it's not taking away from the spirit of the game. if anything not allowing players to account sit takes away from it and cause more people to quit than any cheater or account sitter ever did. there is nothing more frustrating than having your cities and hero's stolen while you sleep. ive read a few history books and ive never heard of an entire city being destroyed and having all it's troops wiped out while they slept. and no not the battle of troy either, yes they killed the guards and opened the gates while the city slept, but they didn't stay asleep while the greeks killed them all. this has nothing to do with "the spirit of the game" and everything to do with evony trying to get you to spend money to buy more truces. it's lame and annoying and only causes people to quit. besides, only attacking an offline player is extremely cowardly, and usually the only thing it gets you is no mercy when the hammer falls. learn the mechanics of the game and you won't have to attack offline players only. botting isn't as big of an issue as all of you claim it is either, ive never run a bot or macro and i have no problem keeping up with the best of them, i can easily afford -5 million in each city and it takes me no more than 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour at night to farm. learn to be more efficient with your time and it's not a problem. alt accounts are a big problem and that does need to be addressed, and the 50 hr grief attack can and should be fixed with the ignore button. other than that the game is fine the way it is. oh and yes, you should be able to trade unwanted items for resources. trading for items would cut into evony's bottom line and understandable it's they shouldn't do that, but no one spends cash for resources.
    • I was thinking something along the same lines. Just thinking mind you, don't know if it would work but maybe it's time to let people have all the accounts they want - or say "X" amount and they must be linked to their main account.

      Then maybe Host-->Presbyters can log into alliance accounts and perform a limited amount of actions (from their accounts so there is control).

      Course this would take some coding and from all the previous posts it has generally been stated AgeI is done (although they did a major game change when they took medals from NPC's cough cough) so that "policy" would have to undergo a change.

      I cannot see botting allowed though unless it's a game created farm function or attack function. Actually the possibilities are endless and only Evony knows if it's worth it long term.
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  • I’m very angry
    Add me as someone who has this problem... and it's what's likely to stop me spending money. I'll just cheat like everyone else.

    I do believe they should allow account sitters though like some other games do. However that won't happen as Holiday mode earns them money.
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  • the 3 super servers into one is insane!!!

    they merged all the inactive players, plus they allow "filler" accounts to be created...

    then you add in the bots

    people (potential revenue for evony) are quitting because the game is no longer "fun"
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  • As the OP I have to say the official response is hogwash.
    I've been watching the same people for many months if not quite 2 years doing the same rule breaking they have always done. Evony, you ain't doing shiz about it, you don't care, stop posing. My new years resolution for 2011? Quit Evony! I haven't logged in since before Christmas and I'd been logging in several times per day since early 2009! Hooray! My big problem now is all the free time I have to chase girls and the extra cash in my pocket to help me do so.
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  • I just ask that anyone who quits does the rest of the server a courtesy and take their account down to one city or "turtle" as I call it. I've spent a lot of time in my past game play removing inactive cities and it's always a shame they just didn't clean their account up themselves. I'm down to one city and log in from time to time to bash a hero and make sure there is enough gold to pay for them. That's my endgame, not going to try and compete with the Power Players and Alt Kings. ;o)
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  • dont attack the sleeping account sitting is not cheating its helping a friend from being attacked by an...... undesireable person
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  • Nothing gets done about any of these issues. The latest frustration are the acct people are creating to attack and abandon your valleys. They setup a new acct and under beginner protection attack and you can do nothing about except reinforce your valleys which means you can't anything else. Evony has allowed this and the bots to go on far too long and is driving people away.
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  • I agree with you 100% all evony cares is that those type of players spend big bucks on the game so evony looks the other way
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  • Or they grab a lvl 5 npc hold it and then port it out and port in their war city in it's place and start attacking should be a rule only one port for every hrs. And iif the player used an advance port to get back to that same flat how can he start attacking right away
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  • I’m frustrated
    lots of things here bots alt accounts and account sitters
    ok 1 at a time
    account sitters i think there needed as troop #s have gotten to the point that un less some one loges in to defend by building small groups of wall deff and a few of each troop and to look at the waves inbound it becomes ez to clear a city as the atting player can scout the defenders r blinded as to whats inbound u don't know if u need to send troops to defend an arch wave , a calv /capth hit ,or there r mech waves now each has a diff set of troops that will defend best
    alt accounts
    i believe few people can play multiple accounts well yes 1 account can feed another
    so take out the feeder account my alliance has taken out several people and there feeder accounts back on s81 i had a guy mail me to stop scouting his scout account i told him it wasn't a good scout account if i cood keep killing his scouts dividing ur time between more then 1 account is hard to make them both good accounts unless uyour using a bot
    BOTS i hate them mostly the ones playing deff they open and close gates so fast u know its a bot when 20 waves hit in 2 sec and the gates open and close on several waves its a bot a player need a min of say 5 sec between waves to open and close
    this is the main bot i wood like to c evony work on riding the game of example my allince hit a city that used speech texs at 15 loy 5 or 6 times the city was loaded with like 3 trill in all the stuff there we had waves hitting the city from like 10 people eventually some one logged in and npced the city with a lot of stuff in it still so we could not take it i consider it fair if a player loges in but a bot that saves ur city is unfair as r ones that build troops / wall deff 4 u so cites r too costly to take

    farm bots r annoying but most farm lev 5 npcs if u think some one is farming 5s by bot port 1 out and move a city in and c if your hit by a lev 5 farm wave i know of several times this has happened

    i find it annoying to get a standard reply when i send a ticket in reporting some one
    hoping 4 change
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  • I’m thinking Thantium doesn't have a clue
    Quote from what the company supposedly considers an answer to this problem:

    Thantium, Official Rep, replied 1 month ago
    We cannot release the names of suspended accounts due to Privacy issues. We have systems in place to deal with these players and we are currently working on implementing new solutions to combat these issues more effectively.
    Sprite_screen The company says this solves the problem

    Please explain why or how this is a privacy issue, if someone violated the Terms of Service, they gave up all rights to privacy. Why does Evony continue to protect those who cheated? You are not disclosing the individual's actual name/email or any other personal information, simply their ingame/made-up name. Failing to disclose this only continues to make the player base feel deceived regarding actual resolution to the botting/cheating issue.
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  • Bots can be hampered by encoding the Evony data. Changing the code regularly or every server maintenance even could certainly slow them down.
    I was happily building, minding my own business, trying to remain anonymous when war was suddenly decalred on me. The party involved blantantly told me they found me through this third-party softare. He was quite open about it, sounding like he thought it was a perfectly legitimate strategy. If you want, I can tell you the alliance and the server. So far as I know, the whole alliance think this is a legitimate practice.
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  • I’m Frustrasted
    well is seem I am just another player evony does not care about, since this post is two months old. I have been reporting bots, and illegal use of new accounts by other alliances on SS60 since Sept 2010. All Ihave gotten is due to privacy of a player they (evony) cannot update me. Well, a major player on SS60 I complained about is on my team.. He was never removed. So, now other alliance are using the new account trick. It is hard enough playing when the map gets taken up with new accounts which cannot be taken.
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  • I really don't think spend is a criteria in differentiating between botters but it does seem to influence policy on how hard to go against them.

    I get it that ppl having the safety ne of their bots feel safer in spending their cash but if all the freeloaders and casual spenders are frustrated off the servers then these bigger spenders will eventually leave the desert too.
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  • This reply was removed on 2011-02-19.
    see the change log
  • I’m frustrated
    Things have not improved with botting because evony bans for a week then the botter logs in again and just finds a newer less known bot. It needs to be a lifetime ban determined by ISP address not email. Frankly I'm sick of botters who attack every moment they are online because they have the troops and food to feed them while the rest of us honest players can't compete.

    I do believe there is a connection between lack of action and botters often being coiners. They are making evony too much money so they ban for a tokenistic time frame knowing they will be back spending in a few days anyway and evony can make out they have done something. On our server one of the top 10 player accounts was taken over by someone else, everyone on the whole server knows it. Yet evony does nothing because both the past and current account holders were/are massive coiners. Yet I see people complaining on the forums about having an account they took over, hacked, and instead of helping them, evony instantly bans that account because it's "against the guidelines". Hmmm, double standards much?
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  • I’m frustrated that some very obvious and easily implemented solutions to this problem are not being actioned.
    Surely a way to kill bots is to have the screens randomly move slightly each time they are pulled up, not enough to disorientate users, but just enough to put the bots out of whack.
    • That works with screen macros, not 3rd party interfacing clients :(
      Besides that, the lags and stuff are already bad, add to that clicking the wrong things........ Ugh. They need to just go for it and make both the motivations for botting go away AND have the game code change often enough to cause those bots to mess up. Maybe make sneaky changes that aren't apparent but really mess up the results of the bot operation like make it so that the bot ordering a target of 300k scouts to be filled to actually queue up 300k pults, with the lowest attack hero. Have a command from the bot to scout for NPCs return false positives and let it hit valleys, lv6-10s etc. Bots don't have eyes and fingers as you pointed out and evony should creatively take advantage of that. If the report auto read by bot says it's a lv5 but in the game client itself it shows up as a valley, the cheater will have nothing to base a complaint on.
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    Thatium, u say u "solve the problem" but in reality ur makin it worse. everytime u run a "b0t sweep" u only take about half the b0tters with u thinking u got all of them. so the remaining b0tters find a new "b0t" to use so they r always 1 step ahead of u. b0tters r RUINING the game. they make it impossible for real players to play the game. wen doing a b0t sweep u need to do it for more that 15 minutes. u only get some of teh problem and by getting only some, u make the problem worse, becasue they find more sophisticated ways of cheating.
    please take care of this as im bout to kill of alot of troops to save some
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  • I’m loving the lack of communication here.
    Game is truly laughable. It is bot vs. bot anymore, with some human players mixed in for fun. I can't believe Thantium has tried to stick up for the game designers instead of showing some fortitude and either be honest with the players or quit his "job", guess the mighty dollar is worth selling out for. Sigh.
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  • Bots have ruined the game, I have reported several accounts, given examples and the bots are still running without any peril four weeks later. Shame on you Evony, soon people will find other things to do and spend money on if you don't correct the problem.
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  • I’m confident
    this game has evolved but evony never followed the evolution food is the issue of this game cancell the need of foos and you solved the need for robots
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  • I wanna report everyone on here for botting since i can.

    GDIT why were you all not banned?

    this may sound familiar to other die-hard honest players
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  • There so manny out there. I dont use a bot as its cheating but considering all and all. If i do it would only level the playing field not actually be cheatting. Multi accounting and Bots are getting out of hand. Get a grip before you loose fair playing paying players.

    The solution so far.
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  • I’m annoyed
    I realize this problem was posted 11 months ago

    And, here we are.. with the same problems

    What is wrong with this picture?

    na3
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  • This reply was removed on 2011-11-03.
    see the change log
  • I’m frustrated
    I find it rather sad that this topic is still a problem on even the newer servers. The number of alt accounts out number the number of active accounts on server 30.
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  • I agree with Tigre Lilly, The newest server S160 has over 4,500 players. I know for sure they are not all single players. I would bet 40% are alts.
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  • I think they need to re write set ToS more detailed. Make it manable considering what can and can not be cotrolled or restricted and what cant.
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  • if u wanna help we are on strike no spending if u wanna join in on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeTx_C... 500 members invite your friends and lets make evony give us what we want and need!
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